Legislature(2003 - 2004)

04/16/2004 01:38 PM Senate HES

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             HB  25-HEALTH CARE SERVICES DIRECTIVES                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
The committee took up CSHB 25(JUD).                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DYSON   asked  Jason  Hooley,   HES  committee   aide,  to                                                               
distribute  copies of  the latest  proposed committee  substitute                                                               
(CS) for  the bill.   He told members several  outstanding issues                                                               
remain, such  as considering a  second medical  opinion regarding                                                               
decisions  about  withdrawing/withholding life  support  systems.                                                               
Modifying  that  provision  was  being  considered  because  when                                                               
dealing  with  somebody  who is  comatose,  second  opinions  are                                                               
available in hospital settings;  however, second opinions may not                                                               
be available  in the field.   Also, a second issue,  stopping CPR                                                               
after  going through  the widely  understood  protocols may  also                                                               
come up.   He noted  that Senator  Guess and Senator  Davis might                                                               
have a proposed  amendment dealing with pregnancy.   In addition,                                                               
some language  about severability  will probably be  inserted, in                                                               
case  any portion  of  the  bill is  challenged  and declared  as                                                               
unconstitutional.  "I'm  told by the bill's sponsor  that this is                                                               
already in Alaska  law and doesn't need to be  reiterated, but it                                                               
does no harm to reiterate it in the bill," he said.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DAVIS  moved [to adopt]  the Senate  committee substitute                                                               
(CS)  for   CSHB  25  (HES),  version   C  [labeled  23-LS0137\C,                                                               
Bannister,   4/16/04]  as   the  working   document  before   the                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON asked if there was  any objection.  There being none,                                                               
it was so ordered.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  asked if anybody  wanted to testify today  who would                                                               
not be  able to  testify at  the next  HES meeting  scheduled for                                                               
Monday  [4/19].   Seeing  and hearing  no  response, Chair  Dyson                                                               
announced  that CSHB  25(JUD) would  be held  in committee  until                                                               
Monday.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
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^#HB385                                                                                                                       
                 HB 385-AWARDING CHILD CUSTODY                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
The committee took up CSHB 385(JUD).                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HEATH  HILYARD,  staff   to  Representative  Lesil  McGuire,                                                               
presented CSHB  385(JUD) on behalf of  the sponsor.  He  said the                                                               
bill  went  through  several  iterations  before  today,  and  in                                                               
looking  at version  W,  he reflected  that  during the  interim,                                                               
concerns  were  raised on  behalf  of  the Alaska  Court  System.                                                               
During deliberations  in the House Judiciary  Committee, work was                                                               
done  with  Doug  Wooliver  from  the  Alaska  Court  System  and                                                               
Representative Gruenberg, who had  similar concerns, to present a                                                               
clean bill, today.   HB 385 establishes  a rebuttable presumption                                                               
that  must  be overcome  by  a  preponderance  of evidence  in  a                                                               
situation  where there  is a  custody debate  and there  has been                                                               
prior  domestic  violence  in  the  relationship.    The  general                                                               
concern is that it's nearly  as harmful to children's development                                                               
and growth  to witness  domestic violence  as it  is for  them to                                                               
experience the violence.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HILYARD referred  to  page 4,  lines  4 to  14,  (h) as  the                                                               
essence of the  rebuttable presumption.  It can  be overcome, but                                                               
to do  so, the perpetrating  parent has to  successfully complete                                                               
an   intervention  program   for   batterers,  where   reasonably                                                               
available.   He noted "where  reasonably available"  was inserted                                                               
at the  request of the Alaska  Court System.  He  read, "that the                                                               
parent  does  not  engage  in   substance  abuse,  and  the  best                                                               
interests of the  child require that parent's  participation as a                                                               
custodial  parent because  the other  parent  is absent,  suffers                                                               
from   a  diagnosed   mental  illness   that  affects   parenting                                                               
abilities, or engages  in substance abuse..."    Mr. Hilyard said                                                               
this is  a child  protection measure  and the  intent is  to look                                                               
towards the child's  best welfare.  There may  be instances where                                                               
an abusive  parent may  ultimately be a  better choice,  at least                                                               
for temporary custody, he added.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DYSON said  he  assumes  there has  been  a conviction  of                                                               
domestic violence, not just an accusation.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. HILYARD  replied correct.   He said there have  been concerns                                                               
regarding domestic  violence claims being  made at any  time, and                                                               
abusively using  those claims  in a  custody battle.   Clarifying                                                               
that a  parent has  a history  of perpetuating  domestic violence                                                               
under (g)  of this  section would  address those  concerns; we're                                                               
looking for  frequency, severity, and  recency.  There has  to be                                                               
an established history  or pattern recognizable by  the court, he                                                               
added.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON noted Mr. Hilyard  did not use the word, "conviction"                                                               
in his response.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. HILYARD said perhaps Mr. Bailey could address that question.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.   ALAN  BAILEY,   an   Anchorage   attorney,  testified   via                                                               
teleconference and informed members that  HB 385 does not require                                                               
a  conviction for  domestic violence.   In  normal child  custody                                                               
actions,  the  burden  of  proof   is  by  the  preponderance  of                                                               
evidence.   A criminal  conviction would  require proof  beyond a                                                               
reasonable  doubt.    That  would benefit  the  batterer  to  the                                                               
detriment of family members.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DYSON asked  if Mr.  Bailey  was comfortable  with HB  385                                                               
indicating  that the  mere accusation,  or repeated  accusations,                                                               
wouldn't be enough to prejudice the situation.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. BAILEY said otherwise it would  be necessary for the court to                                                               
find by  a preponderance of  evidence that incidents  of domestic                                                               
violence  occurred.   That  would be  after  a contested  hearing                                                               
whereby  the   victim's  evidence  and  the   alleged  batterer's                                                               
evidence would be heard in court by the judge.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  acknowledged that both  he and Mr. Bailey  have seen                                                               
cases where both  the accusation and the  restraining orders were                                                               
issued.   Until the  subject of the  restraining order  could get                                                               
into court  and make  a case,  there was  a restraining  order in                                                               
place.   He  said, "And  may  I infer  that the  judge would  not                                                               
automatically take  the fact  that a  restraining order  had been                                                               
issued  by  some  other  judge as  'prima  facie'  evidence  that                                                               
domestic violence had occurred."                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. BAILEY  confirmed this was  correct.  Those  emergency orders                                                               
are called  "ex parte orders"  and don't involve the  other party                                                               
being  served and  having a  chance to  present evidence.   Those                                                               
types  of orders  would  only  be useful  in  a  custody case  to                                                               
demonstrate, "Yes, this victim did  report it to someone," but it                                                               
would  not  eliminate  the necessity  of  proving  that  domestic                                                               
violence occurred in a contested setting.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS  referred to Section  5, which deals  with domestic                                                               
violence, but doesn't deal with  sexual assault.  She referred to                                                               
(g)  and  asked  why  sexual  assault  wasn't  included  in  that                                                               
section.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. HILYARD  responded he couldn't  think of a  particular reason                                                               
that it was omitted.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BAILEY  responded  that  it  wasn't  specifically  mentioned                                                               
because any  assault under AS  11.41, which would  include sexual                                                               
assault, was  a part  of the domestic  violence definition  in AS                                                               
18.66.990; "Therefore, it's covered," he said.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GUESS  asked  if  sexual  assault  is  included  in  the                                                               
definition  of  domestic  violence,  so that  sexual  assault  of                                                               
another  parent,  child,  or domestic  living  partner  would  be                                                               
included under the definition of domestic violence.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BAILEY  said correct.    AS  18.66.990  contains a  list  of                                                               
definitions,  including  "domestic  violence."    Chapter  11.41,                                                               
"Offenses Against the Person" includes  everything from murder to                                                               
fourth degree assault.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GUESS asked  how  "a child"  is  defined throughout  the                                                               
bill. She referenced page 3, line 22 or page 4, line 1.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. BAILEY  replied this was included  because sometimes children                                                               
in the  household are  not children  of the  family; they  may be                                                               
stepchildren, or  visiting children.   The purpose is  to reduce,                                                               
as much as possible, incidences of violence in a child's life.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR   GUESS   said   she   agreed,   but   wanted   statutory                                                               
clarification.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BAILEY  referred  Senator  Guess   to  AS  18.66.990  for  a                                                               
definition  of   "domestic  violence,"  and  to   Chapter  11.41,                                                               
"Offenses Against The Person" to find "sexual assault."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. TRACY GOULD testified in support  of the amended status of HB
385.  She relayed  on June  21, 2001,  a divorce  primary custody                                                               
case  was granted  in Fairbanks.   During  the hearing  the judge                                                               
refused to consider restraining  orders and ignored a frightening                                                               
court-ordered custody investigator's report.   The judge followed                                                               
that up with instructions for  both parties to co-parent, despite                                                               
the dangers in the situation.   Four days later, on June 25, with                                                               
the children a  short distance away, there  was [indisc.] thirty-                                                               
six times by  her ex-husband.  She said this  was her best friend                                                               
and  a dedicated  mother and  unfortunately she  wasn't the  only                                                               
parent  murdered  in  that  area; there  were  two,  maybe  three                                                               
others.   She told members HB  385 would help with  child custody                                                               
and domestic violence.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CHRISTINE  PATE, an  attorney  with  the Alaska  Network  on                                                               
Domestic Violence and  Sexual Assault, a family  law attorney for                                                               
approximately ten years with Alaska  Legal Services, and director                                                               
of the shelter program in Sitka  for 2.5 years, said she has been                                                               
in her  current position for  approximately five years  where she                                                               
runs  a pro  bono program  for victims  of domestic  violence and                                                               
sexual assault in civil cases.   She screens women who are trying                                                               
to leave  violent relationships and are  confronting obstacles in                                                               
the divorce  and custody  context.   She said  the answer  to why                                                               
women  in violent  situations don't  leave is  because there  are                                                               
many   obstacles,   whether   financial,   safety,   or   family.                                                               
Separation is  the most frequent  time of brutality  for victims,                                                               
so they  may decide  to stay  because it is  safer.   Many people                                                               
stay  because  they  are  afraid  of  losing  their  children  in                                                               
divorce/custody  cases.   Once  a victim  has  made the  physical                                                               
decision to leave the batterer,  custody litigation often becomes                                                               
a new front  for the batterer to exercise power  and control over                                                               
the  victim.   Batterers often  threaten that  victims will  lose                                                               
custody if they leave the relationship.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  PATE continued  that some  studies have  shown that  abusive                                                               
fathers who  contest custody cases  win up  to 70 percent  of the                                                               
time.  In Alaska courts she  has seen a battered woman going into                                                               
court and ending  up with either joint custody  or losing custody                                                               
just  because of  daring to  allege domestic  violence or  sexual                                                               
assault.   There are  many reasons for  this, such  as financial,                                                               
since the  woman may not have  as many financial resources.   The                                                               
nature of  domestic violence itself  is that  sometimes batterers                                                               
present better in court than the  victim.  Also, there is often a                                                               
lack of evidence; there isn't  corroborating evidence since these                                                               
are things that happen in private.   In addition, there is a lack                                                               
of  training of  many  judges, child  custody investigators,  and                                                               
guardians ad litem, who are  the decision-makers in many of these                                                               
cases.  While the general  understanding of domestic violence has                                                               
increased over the last 20  years, the evolution of state custody                                                               
laws has  moved away from  holding battering  parents accountable                                                               
in the family law arena.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:19 p.m.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  PATE told  members  Alaska family  supports  are focused  on                                                               
mediation, joint  custody, and family parenting.   These concepts                                                               
stand  in  sharp  contrast to  social  science  literature  about                                                               
domestic violence,  and the  recommendations of  several national                                                               
organizations.  [Indisc.]  concepts of family law  to protect the                                                               
safety  of victims  of domestic  violence and  the well  being of                                                               
children.  The rebuttal presumption  against the parent in HB 385                                                               
would take  some discretion out  the hands of  judges, discretion                                                               
that has  been very harmful to  victims of abuse.   To the extent                                                               
victims  feel  they  will  lose  custody in  court  or  will  get                                                               
unsupervised visits,  they may not  leave the relationship.   She                                                               
referred to  a specific situation where  she had to explain  to a                                                               
woman whose husband had been  convicted of felony assault and who                                                               
had repeatedly  abused her  and her children,  that there  was no                                                               
guarantee the woman  would get supervised custody in  court.  The                                                               
court  process traumatized  the woman.   Victims  continue to  be                                                               
baffled by  the court's  lack of  focus on  their safety,  and it                                                               
causes them to lose faith in  the court system; when victims lose                                                               
faith in the system, they stop using it.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  PATE   addressed  joint  legal  custody,   and  said  courts                                                               
routinely order an abusive parent  to have joint legal custody of                                                               
children.  Currently  there is presumption in the  law that joint                                                               
legal  custody is  in  the  child's best  interest.   The  Alaska                                                               
Supreme Court has  found that a history of  abuse between parties                                                               
should  make  joint legal  custody  inappropriate.   Despite  the                                                               
precedent and knowledge  that it's dangerous for  victims to have                                                               
continuing communication  and contact with abusers,  family court                                                               
judges continue  to put  joint legal custody  orders in  place in                                                               
domestic violence cases.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. PATE  said she  wanted to  speak in  support of  amending the                                                               
prime  friendly parent  factor in  the best  interest factors  to                                                               
make an exception  for victims of domestic  violence.  Explaining                                                               
the friendly parent  provision of Alaska law to  victims of abuse                                                               
is  one  of  the  hardest  and most  confusing  things  that  she                                                               
counsels victims  about.   Harmonious co-parenting  envisioned by                                                               
this factor  is impossible  and often dangerous  in a  family law                                                               
case.   If  the court  believes there  was domestic  violence, it                                                               
might  relax  a  parent's  responsibilities  under  this  factor.                                                               
However  if the  court  does not  believe  the domestic  violence                                                               
accusation or  minimizes it, the  protective parent  is penalized                                                               
under  this factor  and perhaps  accused of  "parent's alienation                                                               
syndrome."   That  syndrome is  a false  syndrome started  by Dr.                                                               
Richard Gardener (ph) and is  widely discredited by professionals                                                               
and courts  across the country.   Under the current  law, despite                                                               
concerns about  safety, the woman  must appear to be  friendly to                                                               
the  other  parent  and  permit visitation  or  risk  losing  her                                                               
children.  "Clearly  this isn't the message we  should be sending                                                               
to victims of abuse."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. RONDA  BLOUGH, Kenai, referred  to her proposed  amendment to                                                               
HB 385,  and said domestic  violence could probably  be prevented                                                               
if there were better custody laws.   She said verbal violence has                                                               
been  discredited;  she  believes  with  the  addition  of  equal                                                               
custody access to  both parents at the beginning of  a divorce or                                                               
separation, a lot  of one-time offenders or  violations by people                                                               
who aren't normally offenders would probably be alleviated.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. PAIGE HODSON, Anchorage, testified as follows:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     I  am  the  person  that  brought  this  issue  to  the                                                                    
     attention of Representative McGuire.   I'd like to tell                                                                    
     you a little bit about  the background behind this bill                                                                    
     to put a personal face on it.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     I am a divorced single  mother of two children, ages 13                                                                    
     and 6.   I am  also a court-appointed  special advocate                                                                    
     for abused  and neglected children, a  former volunteer                                                                    
     at the  Intermission Crisis  Nursery, PTA  president, a                                                                    
     businesswoman, and a domestic violence survivor.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     I was  in an abusive  marriage for 11 years.   Physical                                                                    
     abuse occurred  1-2 times per  year, and  the remainder                                                                    
     of the  time was permeated  almost daily by  verbal and                                                                    
     mental abuse.  I was  shoved, pushed into walls, thrown                                                                    
     against furniture,  thrown off  a deck, spit  upon, and                                                                    
     called  many unmentionable  and profane  names.   I was                                                                    
     told I was stupid, ugly,  and worthless.  Most of these                                                                    
     things  happened  in  front of  my  eldest  child--  my                                                                    
     daughter.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     I worked  hard on  trying to  fix my  marriage, naively                                                                    
     thinking  it  was  something  I could  fix.    I  never                                                                    
     believed the police could help me.   I thought I had to                                                                    
     handle it  on my own.   I  struggled to help  my family                                                                    
     and eventually  convinced my husband to  go to marriage                                                                    
     counseling.     After  four  years  of   counseling,  I                                                                    
     realized things  were not  going to  change.   In fact,                                                                    
     the therapist  eventually had to  see us  separately in                                                                    
     fear for my safety.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     As  my daughter  grew  older, I  saw  more clearly  the                                                                    
     impact of  my husband's behavior  on her.  He  was also                                                                    
     beginning to  direct his abusive  behaviors at her.   I                                                                    
     knew I  had to leave  for her  and my new  infant son's                                                                    
     well being.  I felt it  was my responsibility as a good                                                                    
     parent to serve as an appropriate and safe role model.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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MS. HODSON continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     When I  told my husband of  my wish to divorce  he told                                                                    
     me, "I  will say or do  anything to prove you  an unfit                                                                    
     mother.  And  if I can't, I will take  the kids and you                                                                    
     will never  see them again".   I believed he  would act                                                                    
     upon  his threats.   He  did not  prove me  wrong.   He                                                                    
     filed   for  custody   and  set   about  making   every                                                                    
     outrageous allegation possible.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     I  trusted  the judicial  system,  at  the outset.    I                                                                    
     trusted that the children and  I would be protected and                                                                    
     the judge would construct  visitation that was safe and                                                                    
     stable. As the process  moved forward, however, I found                                                                    
     my  world  turned upside  down.    All the  literature,                                                                    
     public service  announcements and common sense  told me                                                                    
     I  was responsible  for getting  out and  protecting my                                                                    
     kids, yet in  the court deciding custody  issues, I was                                                                    
     pressured  and  even  threatened  not  to  raise  those                                                                    
     concerns.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     The system was  fraught with pressure at  every turn to                                                                    
     accept an  unstable and unsafe 50/50  custody schedule,                                                                    
     even for  a nursing infant.   I was blamed  equally for                                                                    
     the  violence.   Amazingly,  mine  and   my  children's                                                                    
     reasonable  fears   about  their  father's   abuse  and                                                                    
     inappropriate  parenting  were  pathologized.   It  was                                                                    
     implied by  the court that if  I didn't cave in  to the                                                                    
     shared physical  custody I would be  punished by having                                                                    
     sole custody awarded to the children's father                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Suddenly,  the  domestic  violence  I  experienced  was                                                                    
     euphemized  as "high  conflict  divorce."   His  verbal                                                                    
     abuse of the children  and me was deemed "communication                                                                    
     problems."   Moreover,  incidents  of  child abuse  and                                                                    
     physical domestic violence were  minimized and called a                                                                    
     "difference in parenting styles."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The  toll  on  our  eldest child  of  unsupervised  and                                                                    
     increasing   visitation   [indisc.]   the   court   was                                                                    
     enormous.  She would kick,  struggle, scream and cry as                                                                    
     he  carried her  bodily  from my  home for  visitation.                                                                    
     She chewed her  hair and pulled it out.   She picked at                                                                    
     her skin so often it  bled.  She had stomachaches prior                                                                    
     to visits  with her  father, crying jags,  and although                                                                    
     tested  as a  gifted  child, she  nearly failed  fourth                                                                    
     grade.   She  reached out  to many  trusted adults  for                                                                    
     help, yet the court failed to respond.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     The baby was returned  from each visitation dehydrated,                                                                    
     hungry and with diaper rash  so severe he was bleeding.                                                                    
     Once, as  a toddler, he  was returned with a  black eye                                                                    
     and disclosed his father had hit him.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Ultimately  I prevailed,  but it  was only  after being                                                                    
     dragged through  two full  custody trials,  which ended                                                                    
     up being nearly five years  of litigation.  I have sole                                                                    
     legal and  primary physical custody, but  my ex-husband                                                                    
     was afforded substantial  unsupervised visitation.  The                                                                    
     children  are still  not protected.    My daughter  now                                                                    
     says that when  the verbal abuse begins  that she copes                                                                    
     by  "going off  to  another  place in  her  head".   My                                                                    
     little boy tells  me he tries to  hide behind furniture                                                                    
     or pretend he doesn't exist.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     My story  isn't as  egregious as  others you  will hear                                                                    
     today.   While trying to understand  what was happening                                                                    
     to   me  in   court,   I  found   that   my  case   was                                                                    
     representative of  the systemic  failure of  the courts                                                                    
     to   protect  domestic   violence  victims   and  their                                                                    
     children.   I  found women  and children  all over  the                                                                    
     country - moreso in Alaska  - with similar experiences.                                                                    
     I  found  an  alarming percentage  of  abusive  parents                                                                    
     being awarded sole custody.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The bill before you is the  result of nearly 3 years of                                                                    
     researching and  networking to  find the  best statutes                                                                    
     in  the   country,  with   strong  support   from  many                                                                    
     professional    organizations    involved   with    the                                                                    
     protection  of children.   This  bill brings  our child                                                                    
     custody statutes in line with  what the Legislature has                                                                    
     already intended  in its child protection  statutes and                                                                    
     with  what has  been  recommended by  Congress and  the                                                                    
     National   Council  of   Juvenile   and  Family   Court                                                                    
     Justices.   It also brings  our dated statutes  in line                                                                    
     with the voluminous current  research about the effects                                                                    
     of domestic violence on children and parenting.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DYSON  asked Mr.  Hilyard  if  the  sponsor had  seen  the                                                               
proposed amendment, and received confirmation this was correct.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.   WILLIAM  BOBRICK,   a  private   citizen  from   Anchorage,                                                               
underscored the  need for this legislation.   He said he  was the                                                               
former  chair  of  the  board  of the  Alaska  State  Council  on                                                               
Domestic Violence  and Sexual Assault,  and testified this  was a                                                               
common sense approach of rewarding  good behavior rather than bad                                                               
behavior.  The government  should  not be  rewarding parents  who                                                               
beat up their spouse with either  joint or sole custody.  He said                                                               
that kids figure  out if one spouse beats up  the other and still                                                               
gets  custody,  the  message  is  "that must  be  o.k."  so  that                                                               
behavior continues.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DYSON asked  for Mr.  Hilyard's response  to Ms.  Blough's                                                               
amendment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HILYARD   said  Ms.  Blough's  concerns   are  more  broadly                                                               
applicable to the  state's child custody laws,  whereas this bill                                                               
addresses  the  specific  situation  of  temporary  custody  when                                                               
there's been  a history  or pattern of  domestic violence  in the                                                               
relationship.   He did  not express support  of the  amendment at                                                               
this  time because  of wanting  to  review it  with the  attorney                                                               
general's office  and the court system.   He said from  a general                                                               
legal  perspective,  Mr. Bailey  thought  it  might not  be  most                                                               
appropriate to place the amendment in HB 385.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DYSON  recommended  that  the  sponsor  and  the  attorney                                                               
general's  office   research  this,   and  amend  it   in  Senate                                                               
Judiciary, if necessary.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS  commented she had researched  how "sexual assault"                                                               
fits in  with "domestic violence."   She suggested review  of the                                                               
definition  of "household  member"  under  the domestic  violence                                                               
statute to ensure that reference to  "a child" was similar to the                                                               
domestic violence statute regarding "household member."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. HILYARD asked if she was  talking about the broader "a child"                                                               
versus "the child."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS responded  that yes, she agreed with  Mr. Bailey on                                                               
his  definition  of  "a  child,"  but was  not  sure,  given  the                                                               
definition of  domestic violence if  his definition of  "a child"                                                               
fits.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HILYARD said  he would  be happy  to research  this and  let                                                               
Senator Guess know by the end of the day.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS moved  to report CSHB 385 (JUD), version  W, out of                                                               
committee with  individual recommendations and the  attached zero                                                               
fiscal note.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON asked if there was  any objection.  There being none,                                                               
it was so ordered.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                

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